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I have only one trade that I am currently concerned about 1 wooden shield -> 1 ore (coal, gold or iron) So far, I haven't seen this as abused. I do like how it enables players to continue using coal after the natural resource is depleted, but it might be just too easy with this crazy cheap trade. I think that since the armory workshop is the last building in the long leather process is why this isn't abusable for iron-only strategies.

There are also two trades that I am interested in seeing tested:

1 wooden shield -> 1 corn. This seems interesting. If a player decides to only make one farm and go for more wood, they may be able to make a lot of corn like this. It seems quite difficult, but I'd like to see if it was possible.

1 sausage -> 1 corn. Food trades were very abusable in the Shield Patch. Now, however, the only food trade worth noting about seems to be this one. Trading ten or so sausage for some corn could help get an early boost on leather production. The sausage is also almost returned for full value after being processed (four sausage -> four corn -> one pig -> three sausage (and 1 skin -> 2 leather))

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I have only one trade that I am currently concerned about 1 wooden shield -> 1 ore (coal, gold or iron) So far, I haven't seen this as abused. I do like how it enables players to continue using coal after the natural resource is depleted, but it might be just too easy with this crazy cheap trade. I think that since the armory workshop is the last building in the long leather process is why this isn't abusable for iron-only strategies.

I've tested it... if I recall correctly, given enough wood one workshop produces a little more shields than a mine produces ore, but the process requires way more space, buildings and serfs... in my opinion, it is worth it mostly lategame, and only if you run out of ore.
Leather can be exchanged with ore too, meaning you may theorically convert your full wood equipment production into Iron troops.

Tested it; given enough wood, in 2 hours the shields->corn trade produced 173 corn, while a single farm with a 4x4 field produced 136 corn.
I don't know if this is balanced, since while it's true that the trade produced 27% more corn, it is also true it needs may more space and serfs...

1 sausage -> 1 corn. Food trades were very abusable in the Shield Patch. Now, however, the only food trade worth noting about seems to be this one. Trading ten or so sausage for some corn could help get an early boost on leather production. The sausage is also almost returned for full value after being processed (four sausage -> four corn -> one pig -> three sausage (and 1 skin -> 2 leather))

I've tested it... if I recall correctly, given enough wood one workshop produces a little more shields than a mine produces ore, but the process requires way more space, buildings and serfs... in my opinion, it is worth it mostly lategame, and only if you run out of ore.
Leather can be exchanged with ore too, meaning you may theorically convert your full wood equipment production into Iron troops.

You did this how? With a lab map?

The amount of iron ore you can get is not only limited by how quick your mines are working, but also how many mines are possible. In addition, sometimes iron ore is very far away from your base (Border rivers, for example). This applies to coal and (not so much) gold as well.

Tested it; given enough wood, in 2 hours the shields->corn trade produced 173 corn, while a single farm with a 4x4 field produced 136 corn.
I don't know if this is balanced, since while it's true that the trade produced 27% more corn, it is also true it needs may more space and serfs...

If you tested this in a lab map then all I can do say is, "seriously?" This isn't about surpassing farms, it is about avoiding farms to save time.

In my opinion it could be worth it, provided you have another early food source... if I'm not wrong sausages production is slow to start up, and while the energy they restore is high in my opinion their sheer number is too low to use them to both boost your production and feed your village...

Sausage production isn't really slow to start. You can have pigs slaughtered in less than 25 minutes. This trades is meant to get that production started even faster, with of course the leather boost.

Do you mean by trading the sausages you already had at start? It may work. Not sure about still being able to feed a town while doing this, but in my opinion you can definitely try it.

1 sausage -> 1 timber. Now it is 2 sausage -> 1 timber; which is worthless. It was never possible to ignore wood with this trade, but it did give players the option of going for iron a little faster, at the cost of a bunch of food.

1 wooden shield -> 1 corn. This seems interesting. If a player decides to only make one farm and go for more wood, they may be able to make a lot of corn like this. It seems quite difficult, but I'd like to see if it was possible.

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In addition, sometimes iron ore is very far away from your base (Border rivers, for example). This applies to coal and (not so much) gold as well.

I haven't been able to use this strategy against skilled players yet, so it remains to be seen if it is any good. But in theory (my theory), it should be okay.

I am going to decide that sausage -> corn doesn't work. At least for a market-noob like me.

annnnndd there goes my last idea for market-rushing