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I said maybe, atleat it could prevent fish abuse for instance...

What's fish abuse?

I said maybe, atleat it could prevent fish abuse for instance...

What's fish abuse?

I start to believe all these abuses are actually just different tactics, which we need to embrace, not lock out.

No offense Krom but I think you need to embrace suggestions/complaints brought to you by players who do actually play this game (above Sado level ). I'll try to explain.

Abuse for me is using a lame tactic to your advantage and they are mostly used for rush tactics. Others are forced to play like this too or else they likely lose the game. There is a thin line between abuse and cheating. Players who like to abuse are more likely to cheat too, atleast that's what I noticed.

Some examples:

Market abuse - it appears that there are still profitable trades which should be banned cos that's abusing. But in fact there are some clever guys who found the way to play unlike other ones and use it to their advantage. Do we need to remove market tactic? No. We should just make sure it's not overpowered.

Clever? Yes if you ask them they will say they are clever. I think it's more the other way around. They are likely not skilled enough to set up a decent town and enough troops in time without some heavy market abuse. Serious market abuse is like a do or die strategy resulting in a rush right away to outnumber the guy who played ''normal'' (read: who set up a food supply, etc.).
Is it normal to trade all your starting food for trunks in the market? Is it normal to trade trunks for mass horses?

Towerspam - defensive tactic, do we need to remove this defensive element from the game to let everyone play in offensive style?

It is not impossible to play defensive without 22 towers for example. I think it's kind of lame and that it also provokes people to use their builders as suicidals.

Builders rush - another clever tactic to exchange excess builders with enemy defenses. Clever. But we plan to fix it because that does not meets well with KaM "code of honor".

Honor, yes that's the word I was looking for. Honor, the opposite of lame

Fish abuse - haven't heard about this one before, but what is wrong if someones tactic based on getting cheap food at start? Why not calling stone abusers those who build more than 2 quarries? ))

It's easy to explain, fish is the only resource that can be shared with your enemy. I you place as much fishers as possible from start you're ''stealing'' fish from your enemy. Another downside is that with a lot of fish in your storehouse you don't feel the need to set up farms like you normally would and gives you the possibility to focus only on your weapons and bring out a massive rusharmy. Atleast more then your enemy. The point is that you can survive to peacetime using ''your'' fish only resulting in all kind of do or die strats. In this particular game the player who used this tactic lost because I counterattacked him using the same strategy. I was forced to play the same, and I just don't like that. Imagine how fast this lake was empty with 8 fishers... Again, like the building blockade not a cheat but lame gameplay.


yeterday I played a game where someone builderrushed a player and managed to keep 1 builder alive who blocked his entire goldproduction unnoticed (he placed a building over the road), I can't unerstand that someone wants to play like that, but we allow it to happen if we don't fix it.

Problem is that many say that certain tactics should be nerfed/banned because they dont like them / can't apply them. While in fact thats diversity of KaM and we should do the opposite - encourage more different tactics and gameplay styles. (of course fixing those that are imbalanced and/or cheatlike)

It's not only that I don't like it (others might like it). And I can apply them if I want to but I just don't like being forced to use the same tactics.

P.S. This should be probably split into another topic.

What's fish abuse?

I start to believe all these abuses are actually just different tactics, which we need to embrace, not lock out.

No offense Krom but I think you need to embrace suggestions/complaints brought to you by players who do actually play this game (above Sado level ). I'll try to explain.

These kinds of comments makes me feel tired of working on the KaM Remake. It was more fun when the community had more praise and less trolls/complaints/demands/general attitude of "we play the game more so we know best, just do what we say because we're pros and you're just noobs who program the game for us".

95% of players just run into center of base, and half time they lose the internal fight.

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Playing KAM now is like one huuuuge orgy, one that I had always dreamed about.

I don't see myself as someone who likes to insult people or something and I don't feel the need to do that. I'll like to contribute to the KaM community in a good way using my own skills/interests like making maps, make some shoutcasts, help organize a tournament, etc.

Unrelated, but it's amazing how you guys have done precisely what I thought I always wanted with my oldtime favorite game KAM, but unfortunately lacked the skills to do so. And now, with shield buff and all, you're actually even improving it further, carefully sorting out what feedback to incoprorate, and what to ignore. Really, those are some amazing skills for any positions of leadership and management. Thanks. Playing KAM now is like one huuuuge orgy, one that I had always dreamed about.

Ofcourse, competition is where it's all about in multiplayer. it's just that if you can survive on fish alone we get absurd rushes right after pt and I thought you guys wanted some restrictions on such rushes.

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2. Defensive strategies being overpowered (towers hit too much, blocking entrances with buildings is annoying)
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These kinds of comments makes me feel tired of working on the KaM Remake. It was more fun when the community had more praise and less trolls/complaints/demands/general attitude of "we play the game more so we know best, just do what we say because we're pros and you're just noobs who program the game for us".

Something I'm curious about, a lot of the balance complaints are about two things:
1. Offensive strategies being overpowered (rushing, minimal food production, trying to defeat the enemy as soon at PT ends)
2. Defensive strategies being overpowered (towers hit too much, blocking entrances with buildings is annoying)