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That attitude has brought me a very long way in life in terms of my jobs, education, friends and relationships.

Sometimes it actually makes me unhappy when it starts to affect the rest of my life, at that point I try to step back and become a bit less involved.

So I'm nice to someone until he proves me that he's immature, depleasing or just a bad player who won't improve.

People may not like me, but they want to like me. That's why they reply.

People may not like me, but they want to like me. That's why they reply.

People may not like me, but they want to like me. That's why they reply.

Hehe you got me there.
Still it's debating, that's different.

Would you talk to somebody if you know that there is absolutly no chance that you will like him, or anything that he has to say? Knowing that he has absolutly nothing to offer you?
Let me answer, no you wouldn't.

Sure at the end of the day we do things to benefit ourselves and make ourselves happy. I think the main thing that sets you apart from myself and most other people in the KaM community is what makes us happy. I am made happy by other people being happy, seeing the community grow and contribute to development, and seeing people play the Remake. I think most people here would say the same. You have said yourself that you are made happy by insulting people you don't know or don't like, using unnecessarily strong words against people (calling them retarded because you disagree), and quickly judging people you only just met. I don't think many people here feel that way. Do other people agree? Or are you all just repressing your desire to be rude in order to keep the community going?

The KaM Remake would not have been started without the community's support, and development would not have continued for so long without their encouragement. We need a strong community where people are nice to each other even if they have disagreements.

Don't let me tell you what's right and wrong in the way you deal with other people, you have your group of friends and as long as you just want to play the Remake there's really no need no need to be polite to anyone, let alone people you don't know. But if you want to be involved in this community, contribute to the development of the Remake, and write your opinions on balance discussions, you'll need to change your attitude. Arrogance, selfishness, disrespect, insults and prejudice are not welcome here.

This forum is for debating. Balance discussions are debates. When Krom and I ask for the community's opinion on something like the resource ratios, that's a debate. If you want to take part in these debates you'll have to at least pretend to like people and force yourself to be a bit polite.

I never see people as that black and white. People have good sides and bad sides. I don't think there is anybody who has nothing to offer me at all, and even if there was I don't think I could tell that without reading his mind. You judge people very quickly, I don't. I've been surprised in the past by people who I thought had nothing to offer me or the Remake that have actually helped a lot or changed their attitude. I was still polite to them because I didn't know whether they would have anything to offer, you can never tell.

I think now I've said all I want to say on this subject, I'll leave it at that.

But never have I claimed that insulting people makes me happier, it doesn't. Also I wonder, is saying retard such a hard word? I don't realy get what's so wrong with it.

But why would you ask if someone is retarded; why wouldn't you just say you disagree or say that you think he's wrong. Why do you have to use such unnecessarily strong words? Does it make you feel better? Do you think it's cool to talk like that? There must be a reason. I can totally understand people would take it personally if you call them retarded. You blame them that they are too serious, you say they shouldn't take it so personal. But it's you who is at fault there, it is you who should try to be a bit friendlier. I don't see how that would harm you. Is it so hard?

Yes it makes me feel better.

we're generalising my attitude, like I'm always rude, the only thing I do is insulting people. If I say I don't care about somebody that doesn't mean I'll just start being rude to him.

Again, look at all my replies after you gave me a warning, where was I rude, where did I insult people? My theory sounds cruel, I know, but you can't take it too literaly, I don't know the English expression but in Dutch we say: Met een korreltje zout slikken nemen'. Very interesting I know.
So when I use an exemple I always use extremas, so again you can't take it literaly but at least it's clear.

Yes it makes me feel better.

I must admit I've seen so called "professional" KaM players be rude and non-inclusive to less experienced players too. If you've organised a game and are waiting for another player that's fair enough, but you can just politely say "sorry we're waiting for a friend", there's no need to treat people like idiots because they are not as good at KaM as you are. Most situations can be resolved politely without offending anyone.

The majority of players are really nice but there are one or two who can be very unpleasant if they take a disliking to you for whatever reason. I'd say some people think they're important and take themselves too seriously.

Don't be put off by it, they're no more important than you are despite what they might think of themselves

I agree, some people are jerks who think they are so important, and also when those kids are kicked they often cry too.
infact there is this one jerk named Matt who always kicks people for NO reason ALL THE TIME, and I THINK he is a jerk , I mean WHY should I be kicked ,
Matt should not be able to kick anyone as host and he isn't allowed to play with who he wants.
Its whoever joins has the right to stay, even if that slot is reserved for one of his friends!!

I must admit I've seen so called "professional" KaM players be rude and non-inclusive to less experienced players too. If you've organised a game and are waiting for another player that's fair enough, but you can just politely say "sorry we're waiting for a friend", there's no need to treat people like idiots because they are not as good at KaM as you are. Most situations can be resolved politely without offending anyone.

The majority of players are really nice but there are one or two who can be very unpleasant if they take a disliking to you for whatever reason. I'd say some people think they're important and take themselves too seriously.

Don't be put off by it, they're no more important than you are despite what they might think of themselves

I agree, some people are jerks who think they are so important, and also when those kids are kicked they often cry too.
infact there is this one jerk named Matt who always kicks people for NO reason ALL THE TIME, and I THINK he is a jerk , I mean WHY should I be kicked ,
Matt should not be able to kick anyone as host and he isn't allowed to play with who he wants.
Its whoever joins has the right to stay, even if that slot is reserved for one of his friends!!

About hosting. I think the role of host was made for these purpouses:

- To moderate a lobby:
1) To help players choose a match up (1v1,2v2,3v3,4v4)
2) To ask everyone about map and decide wich map and terms of playing is likely for all participants
3) To make equal teams
4) Techinical functions: setting peace time, etc

- To kick people in situations:
1) He/she behaves rude, using hard language
2) Doesnt want to change rude behaviour after player/players ask him/her for it
3) You asked someone to leave because you are waiting for friend/more skillfull player, but he/she isnt going to leave a lobby.
4) Person is afk for long time

- To prevent/solve conflict situations (wich is everyone's duty in my opinion)

So if you are the host your duty is to help, not to create everithing for yourself. If we are talking about beta-testing then you need to test first all the fitures coordinator asked you too, and then making fun for yourself.