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Well said, The Dark Lord

And your reasons for making the scout's LOS 12 rather than 9 support a mod, not really a patch, as it's not really fixing anything. However, if everyone's up for it then I'm not gonna complain as I don't really play TPR anyway.

Not exactly true cuz in SR2 the radius was set to 18 (that can be called a mod).
But since we are reducing it back to fit more with the game originals, its more a patch in my opinion...

I voted for 14, because 9 and 12 are too low for a scout and 18 are definitively too much.

9 votes... there surely must be more people around here...

anyways, I guess we all agree that 18 is DEFINETELY TOO MUCH.

the others are with respectively 2, 4 and 3 votes still fairly divided.

Thats best option, a little bit more than everyone else, just a little bit.

I find all these talks about "Scout means large LOS" are quite funny. Especially if you say it was 9 from the start

I would say we aren't genius to patchmod a game. Split the process. Make patches to fix bugs and make mods to alter game balance

I voted for 12 though

You know, maybe it should be just 9 after all... Though 12 is just the most popular choice so I guess I'll go with it.

I'd like to add something.

Before SR2, "scout" was translated (Dutch version) as "spion" (which means spy) and not "verkenner" (scout).
I think they called it a spy because it was fast and not too strong. You could easily sneak through defences (you are faster than the soldiers who follow you). The knight is too valuable to try such things with. But, because the spy had no spying abillities, scout was a better name.

doesnt mean anything...
English and dutch are both based on the german KAM (correct me if im wrong)
if u want a language to be based on, its the german version of the game as the devs were from germany

i vote 18, SR2 works well (for me anyway), although why not in between 14 and 18?

hmm

I voted for 14. It gives the game some taste, and less boring.

If anyone cares, I changed the scouts name to "Light Cavalry" with Lewins LIB decoder. Leather amor is light amor, so...it works

I agree with nick's values, they're excellent. I only disagree with scout, I think it should be 14.

IMHO (love saying that now) I dissagree with those who don't like changing KaM. I understand their reasoning but I think that KaM should have more varation. Anyone ever wonder why there are only 16 some units in the game but in games like Rome total war or for a older RTS game like Age of Empires (1) there are like 40+??? I think that it is becasue there was nowhere left to go. MAke iron armor troops with steel armor insted of iron? No wouldn't work. In Age of Empires and ROme Total war each and every soldier has it's own unique characteristics, so it gives the game more flavor. Mostly it is just the coast of the soldier or the time it takes to make him (Which could be counted as making the weapons in KaM) that give the faws and pluses. I think that the scout should have more LOS becasue he is a scout. Why? Well perhaps he is better at exploring and perhaps tracking. He spys the enemy and more! I also think knights, scouts, and Vagabonds should have a charge attack like the foot soldiers but VERY vunerable to standing soldiers. However they gain an attack bonus. This can't be done without the sorce code and we arn't getting that soon so yeah. Anyway I think you should be able to make Battle axes (warroirs and barbarians axes) from a cirtain building and it costs 3 coal and 3 iron. But again sorce code.
I wish that there was more variation in the game. My uncle laughed KaM to scourn when he played it again after all the years of not playing it when he learned how the battle system worked (horses are defended form arrows, can't run away ect.) As anoyed as I was I knew he was right... KaM doesn't have enough variation in it and that's what I believe.
Please give your reasons to dissigree with all or maybe just part of what I have said. I will listen and perhaps agree with you

I changed my mind :p
After using SR3, I think 9 is better. Sue me.

I do agree with you that the fighting system could be improved or made more interesting. Hopefully Remakes will make it possible to change these things and make more interesting mods of KaM. For this patch I think the scout shouldn't be changed though.

I agree that it would be better for a mod to change the troops...or perhaps even the remake.

Still it's pointless now. The scout has been revived back to his righteous original value

Which reminds me. Lewin, (I know I could probably find this somewhere else, but I'm so lazy :oops: ) are you still working on voices for SR3/ the remake?