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Post 28 Jan 2013, 21:44

Re: New unit brainstorm

Alright then, my apologies. I interpreted it in the wrong way.
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Post 28 Jan 2013, 21:46

Re: New unit brainstorm

I think that sounds great to retime iron production, which should be a little slower than leather production.

This way leather has the quantity advantage, while iron just quality.
Both should be combined for a well balanced army. quantity + quality.

Nowadays we see "quantity of quality", referring to the mass Xbows or mass Swordfighters (+ militias to back it up).

"No offence, but you sound like an ignorant *cut* in your post, especially since you don't perticipate much at all in the beta release games"

No offence friend Matt, but I don't sound ignorant at all... but more like a person who knows where the problem can be solved.
And you repeat as Mulberry that comment "no participation in beta games", sorry but replays exist for something.
I have been watching all the games during the last weeks, even those in which you don't participate.
For an analyzer like me, I always speak after having a solid reference base... and my "long term memory" is preety good. :D

Don't worry Matt, I enjoy your efforts to change the game... but I forsee that adding 5-10 sec of resting time for iron cycles in every stage,
makes Iron important, but not spammable as it is now.
Note that leather cycle is kept same as now... so we can go leather for quantity, and iron for quality.

My concept is basic and easy to understand. Doesn't require more efforts than just adding more resting time for Iron workers, which should be logical (as a aside effect), since Iron forging could require 1 day of real work. :)
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Post 28 Jan 2013, 21:47

Re: New unit brainstorm

Don't worry, I don't attack anyone without reason. :wink:
Jeronimo, now army od xbows is definitely not enough. In beta release units with shield are more resistant from bows' attack. Knights can without any problem kill big army of shooters.
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Post 28 Jan 2013, 22:03

Re: New unit brainstorm

Just for the "testing sake" it would be handy if Lewin or Krom prepares a quick executable with "workers +10 rest seconds" for all iron line.

Iron mine, Iron bar, iron workshop, iron armoury.
Let's say we keep proportions like "3 mine - 3 iron bar - 2 workshop - 2 armoury".

But in the time of 60 PT, this Time Tweak, will cause that instead of having 30 sword fighers, you will produce like 20 (with early iron production start).

In my humble opinion, this will make the iron + leather combination more reliable (than full slower iron + militia).
:wink: It's worth testing, I have great expectations. :wink:
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Post 28 Jan 2013, 22:22

Re: New unit brainstorm

The Dark Lord wrote:And how will it have an attack powerful enough to kill sword fighters in such a rate that they are 'a counter', but not so powerful that they slaughter knights as well?


The Dark Lord wrote:But hey, I have a brilliant idea, let's reduce the attack of the sword fighter just a tiny bit so it's less 'op'.


Jero's idea isn't that bad, I mean it will help leather become more useful, but that was not what this discussion was about as far as I know (and personally I don't see the need for a 'leather buff' yet).
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Post 28 Jan 2013, 22:34

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The Dark Lord wrote:
The Dark Lord wrote:And how will it have an attack powerful enough to kill sword fighters in such a rate that they are 'a counter', but not so powerful that they slaughter knights as well?


The Dark Lord wrote:But hey, I have a brilliant idea, let's reduce the attack of the sword fighter just a tiny bit so it's less 'op'.


Jero's idea isn't that bad, I mean it will help leather become more useful, but that was not what this discussion was about as far as I know (and personally I don't see the need for a 'leather buff' yet).

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Post 28 Jan 2013, 22:47

Re: New unit brainstorm

Just trying to get answers, as you clearly won't answer these questions without some encouragement. Why do you expect me to reply to you if you don't reply to me?
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Post 29 Jan 2013, 05:17

Re: New unit brainstorm

Offtopic: Jeronimos idea is good, however I believe iron should be superior to leather, not by much, but still better. Maybe we could debuff iron production by some 10-15%, but thats still separate from where this topic has gone, so please ignore this remark for now.
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Post 29 Jan 2013, 14:25

Re: New unit brainstorm

For now then, I wil work on stone mason animation, how can i export the current stone mason animation ?
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Post 29 Jan 2013, 14:26

Re: New unit brainstorm

Matt come to ts i will tell you!

EDIT: NO sorry He means, not "frame per frame Exporting" but the whole animation as one file :D so someone other must help him than :D
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Post 29 Jan 2013, 14:30

Re: New unit brainstorm

@EDMatt: Launch KaM Remake, F11, Export Resources, units.rxx. It will export all units animations to KaM Remake\Export\Units.rxx. There you will need to find stonemason sprites manually.
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Post 29 Jan 2013, 14:32

Re: New unit brainstorm

Krom wrote:@EDMatt: Launch KaM Remake, F11, Export Resources, units.rxx. It will export all units animations to KaM Remake\Export\Units.rxx. There you will need to find stonemason sprites manually.


I have said that this is what he actualy dont want :P
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Post 29 Jan 2013, 22:19

Re: New unit brainstorm

Sorry for spam, its not topic for this, but i really think Jero`s idea sounds very good. I dont say, this will be balance leather and iron, I just think maybe one time we can try this in some RC.
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Post 29 Jan 2013, 22:27

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Mixons wrote:Sorry for spam, its not topic for this, but i really think Jero`s idea sounds very good. I dont say, this will be balance leather and iron, I just think maybe one time we can try this in some RC.

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Post 29 Jan 2013, 22:31

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EDMatt wrote:
Mixons wrote:Sorry for spam, its not topic for this, but i really think Jero`s idea sounds very good. I dont say, this will be balance leather and iron, I just think maybe one time we can try this in some RC.

gg Mixons.


I agree with you Matt, its GG :P
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