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Ben

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Post 19 Apr 2015, 20:50

Re: New tactics in KaM???

Tiank wrote:...but even flies are annoying in larger numbers ;).


Lol. Good one ;)

The reason I think scouts, xbows, and militia should be boosted is by how seldom they are seen in competitive play. I mean militia are fine, but I think the game would be slightly better if militia were slightly better. I think all axe units could use an increase in attack. Would be nice.
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Post 20 Apr 2015, 07:06

Re: New tactics in KaM???

Ben wrote:I think all axe units could use an increase in attack. Would be nice.

I actually agree.

Either this or Market prices should be changed:
Buying
    1 Militia costs 11 Corn
    1 Axe Fighter costs 23 Corn
    1 Sword Fighter costs 37 Corn
Stats-wise
    Axe Fighters only have 1 more Def than Militia
    Sword Fighters have 1 more Def and 20 more Attack than Axe Fighters

This means that the cost difference for buying a Sword Fighter instead of an Axe Fighter is very similar to that of buying an Axe Fighter instead of a Militia, but, in addition to the +1 Def, Sword Fighters also get a huge Attack increase.
Iron availability does not matter in this case: either the Market prices are way off or Sword Fighters are too powerful.

But! Pikemen consistently win (seen in an old test) against an equivalent number of Sword Fighters, both with and without ranged support for both; making Sword Fighters weaker would imbalance this and we'd never see Sword Fighters again.
Also, since they are both Iron troops, Market prices don't actually matter here.

So if I'm not wrong the only logical conclusion is that Axe warriors do indeed need a buff.

Tiank wrote:Also, economy needs a lot of work to run effiecently, I noticed, that wihtout sausages it's really hard to set up and maintain your food economy. It's okay if there's plenty of fish, but then you need to rely only on bread and vine combo later on, so you need to focus on making these early on (it's especially hard and not worth it on 60 PT).

How so? (?)

Bakeries can produce up to 2,38 Loaves per Farm per minute (which equals 2572,01 seconds of feeding per minute), while Butchers' can produce up to 0,88 Sausages per Farm per minute (which equals 1420,83 seconds of feeding per minute).

Even accounting for building space and the more frequent travels to the Inn, the difference is still huge...

thunder wrote:I remember when I lost 70milities vs 8knights without a single kills on an opened battlefield. And there wasnt snipers.
At this moment i dont beilive in the mass milities.

70 Militia (20 columns formation) vs 8 Knights (8 columns formation): Militia won 100 out of 100 battles (100%).

I think you were just incredibly unlucky... :(
Or maybe, since you mentioned Snipers, these Knights had the Retribution bonus, which is a huge boost in this kind of situations... :wink:
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thunder

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Post 20 Apr 2015, 08:05

Re: New tactics in KaM???

thunder wrote:I remember when I lost 70milities vs 8knights without a single kills on an opened battlefield. And there wasnt snipers.
At this moment i dont beilive in the mass milities.

70 Militia (20 columns formation) vs 8 Knights (8 columns formation): Militia won 100 out of 100 battles (100%).

I think you were just incredibly unlucky... :(
Or maybe, since you mentioned Snipers, these Knights had the Retribution bonus, which is a huge boost in this kind of situations... :wink:



Sometimes the theoretical isnt same as the real game :wink:
If you cathch a long walking line then 3 knights could kill them 1by1 also.
The situation is similar what comwola use in his SP missions where 1 barbarian could kill 30knights...etc...
But I think to at that moment I just was simply unlucky because I tried to kill 10 knights wth 70milities:D
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Post 12 Aug 2015, 16:36

Re: New tactics in KaM???

Hey all,

Yesterday I played a 1v1 game against Mr Fu!
The game started quite late and I just wanted to do something else then the standard bow-sword combination.

So I tried to do a sword-xbow combination with some knights added to this.
you can see the result in the screenshot or by watching the replay.

It's really nice to experiment with gamestyles in KaM otherwise the game gets borring in my opinion. ;)
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Post 13 Aug 2015, 04:47

Re: New tactics in KaM???

While this is extremely anti-lategame, this might be a very nice tactic to be used in a big 4v4 game. Nice.
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Post 13 Aug 2015, 07:17

Re: New tactics in KaM???

I think you should try to make some axes as well. It adds something for after your iron spam and judging the amount of recruits, you should have room for it.
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Post 13 Aug 2015, 10:14

Re: New tactics in KaM???

Killer!! wrote:It's really nice to experiment with gamestyles in KaM otherwise the game gets borring in my opinion. ;)

Sado called your city very "anti-lategame". If you had to experiment a playstyle called "pro-lategame", how would you build it?

Beyond armybuilds, what makes a KaM match "good & entertaining" is the amount of comebacks... those where you fight from base to base (not camping if you won in your home's defense).
Sadly, we don't see often matches with comebacks, since ~90% of them end before 1:20:00. KaM's real tactic is to win 1st battle with enough remaining soldiers to walk through enemy's towers and gg.
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Post 13 Aug 2015, 11:16

Re: New tactics in KaM???

Hey all,

I wanted to see if this iron strategy also works in a team game and on a map which is more difficult.
I did add some axes to my base and also I made a stable instead of 2 mills because on my location I was able to abuse the fish.
It was me and To (loc 1 and 6) vs LadyPauline and Fu (loc 4 and 5) on Across the Desert.

Here is a screenshot + replay of the game again ;)

SIem
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Post 14 Aug 2015, 16:15

Re: New tactics in KaM???

Interesting tactic siem!
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TheodorKarlsruhe

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Post 15 Oct 2015, 22:08

Re: New tactics in KaM???

I play almost every time (and every day) in online game with barbarians. Tell me please, who will win in this constellation:

- 20 barbarians vs 20 pikemen
- 20 barbarians vs 20 knights
- 20 barbarians vs 30 swordsmen
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Post 16 Oct 2015, 06:29

Re: New tactics in KaM???

TheodorKarlsruhe wrote:I play almost every time (and every day) in online game with barbarians. Tell me please, who will win in this constellation:

- 20 barbarians vs 20 pikemen
- 20 barbarians vs 20 knights
- 20 barbarians vs 30 swordsmen


barbarians
knights
swordmen

...if i recall correctly
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Post 17 Oct 2015, 14:10

Re: New tactics in KaM???

Strangelove wrote:
TheodorKarlsruhe wrote:I play almost every time (and every day) in online game with barbarians. Tell me please, who will win in this constellation:

- 20 barbarians vs 20 pikemen
- 20 barbarians vs 20 knights
- 20 barbarians vs 30 swordsmen


barbarians
knights
swordmen

...if i recall correctly
Below are replays (without saves) showing that there is an exception to all of these rules if you position your units right AND the odds are in your favor.

lost 6 barbs, defeated 20 knights (this was on my first try)
cmowlaKnightvsBarb.zip

lost 7 barbs, defeated 30 swords (this was on my third try)
cmowlaBarbsvsSwords.zip

lost 13 pikes, defeated 20 barbs (this was on my 8th try)
cmowlaBarbsvsPikes.zip


I would say that it's about a:
75% chance 20 barbs could take out 20 knights with a setup like this,
40% chance 20 barbs can take out 30 swords with a setup like this, and
10% chance 20 pikes can take out 20 barbs with a setup like this,

But definitely if you wanted to cause "the most damage" possible with what you have, it definitely doesn't hurt to try to position your units like this, even though you will most likely lose all of your troops with the barb and pike match, for example.
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TheodorKarlsruhe

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Post 19 Oct 2015, 15:10

Re: New tactics in KaM???

Great, thank you for your analysis:) I play only with barbs every night, mostely 220-250 of them are made after 90 minutes pt. I love them and I agree wioth you: the position is making the big difference in fight.
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Post 12 Dec 2015, 15:31

Re: New tactics in KaM???

Jeronimo wrote:
Killer!! wrote:It's really nice to experiment with gamestyles in KaM otherwise the game gets borring in my opinion. ;)

Sado called your city very "anti-lategame". If you had to experiment a playstyle called "pro-lategame", how would you build it?

Beyond armybuilds, what makes a KaM match "good & entertaining" is the amount of comebacks... those where you fight from base to base (not camping if you won in your home's defense).
Sadly, we don't see often matches with comebacks, since ~90% of them end before 1:20:00. KaM's real tactic is to win 1st battle with enough remaining soldiers to walk through enemy's towers and gg.


Buahaha, exactly! No Italian style taken from football matches, just one attack and go home!
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Post 21 Sep 2018, 13:22

Re: New tactics in KaM???

I was out of a bit from the Remake. Just came back few weeks ago.
What is the current META?
Thanks! :wink:

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