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Mulberry

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Post 31 Oct 2012, 08:40

Re: R.A: Embassy

Shadaoe, that is very good that they didnt say anthing to you! And you sound resonable. It was what i tried to say in a post before.

I've seen xenofobic speeches from this people. It is a public problem because xenofobie is a social problem, not personal. So i was saying that if you are tolerant to intolerant social acts you as a member of society are ignoring it. It was not a words game i was not trying to manipulate. And now i understand that you need extra proofs. Do you unerstand what i mean now? Should i paraphrase it in themore understandable words? (my english isnt perfect...)

Krom, i just do not want it to happen again.
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Siegfried

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Post 31 Oct 2012, 09:03

Re: R.A: Embassy

OK Mulberry, this is running for some time now. As a german I can assure you that I am very sensitive to xenophobia. Developing a sense for that is actually what they teach us since childhood. But that also means, that I see this as a very serious accusal. From your response to Shadaoe I see, that you like people to join your point of view.

But, please, provide some points for that! All that we've seen so far are some sentences and a link, all in a foreign language that the majority here does not understand. And no, google translation is DEFINATELY no solution for that. Language is a tricky thing, especially if it goes to nuances like the tone someone used. A machine definately cannot do this work, it won't catch what actually was meant.

So please do the work and translate the critical points into english. It does not have to be perfect; almost all members here are not native speakers, so they won't notice. But as a human you can do what the machine cannot do: catch the emotion behind the sentences and bring it into your translated sentences.

I think, from that one, everyone can join and make their own opinion. This is not possible up to now, so don't implicitly accuse Shadaoe that he tolerates xenophobia when he does not even understand what was said there.
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Krom

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Post 31 Oct 2012, 09:43

Re: R.A: Embassy

@Siegfried: I read the translation on screenshots once again, and apart from few minor mistakes (see my comment shortly after) the translation is quite correct. Xenophobic term is used here not as national basis, but Russian forum members vs everyone else outside irregardless of nationality. You can see that on screens.

Mulberry raised a valid concern.
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Shadaoe

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Post 31 Oct 2012, 11:40

Re: R.A: Embassy

Shadaoe, that is very good that they didnt say anthing to you! And you sound resonable. It was what i tried to say in a post before.

I've seen xenofobic speeches from this people. It is a public problem because xenofobie is a social problem, not personal. So i was saying that if you are tolerant to intolerant social acts you as a member of society are ignoring it. It was not a words game i was not trying to manipulate. And now i understand that you need extra proofs. Do you unerstand what i mean now? Should i paraphrase it in themore understandable words? (my english isnt perfect...)

Krom, i just do not want it to happen again.
I'm not ignoring anything, I'm just not accusing without proof : in france when it comes to justice, we're supposed to treat everyone as if he was innocent until he's clearly said guilty by a court.

Thanks Siegfried ;)
Krom : I think that Siegfried wanted to say that the few screenshots we got can't really prove what is going on, because we don't see here wether it's true or not that the appliance date was before, and we can't see the debate between the forum members in it's entierty.
Personnally, I know that you can make a sentence say whatever you want it to say as long as you change the context. I don't have the context here, only a few posts extracted from the thread.
ANd I don't feel either like reasing this thread with google translate on, so no, I won't accuse anyone here.

P.S. :
So i was saying that if you are tolerant to intolerant social acts you as a member of society are ignoring it.
I don't like being accused of indirect xenophobia. Maybe you should mind your words a little bit. You asked for my opinion, I gave it to you. I doesn't mean that I'm "part of the plot" or anything, I just gave my view on the case.
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Krom

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Post 31 Oct 2012, 11:56

Re: R.A: Embassy

@Shadaoe: You have a good point of view, I agree with that.

My concern in this case was trying to make KaM a better place, without hatred and xeno-feelings. Helping to solve at least one of several cases. I spend last 2 days talking with guys in kamclub, pursuing them into noticing the problem in the attitude, but so far the results are less than appalling.
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Shadaoe

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Post 31 Oct 2012, 12:44

Re: R.A: Embassy

I'm totally on the same way of thinking, I'd like the community to improve too, lately it has become quite a concern to me ;)
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Siegfried

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Post 31 Oct 2012, 12:48

Re: R.A: Embassy

@Krom: I and possibly everyone here is amazed how you care about this 'incident'. You try to solve this, that's good.
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TieSTo

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Post 31 Oct 2012, 19:35

Re: R.A: Embassy

As much as KaMClub are well within in their rights to host their own tournaments and suchlike. I think it encourages divisions within the community.

It's like me hosting a TS server just for English players, the playerbase is fall too small to have full independent communities within the game at this current time.

Personally speaking from experience, you need one central hub for all of your competitive playing.
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vovets1

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Post 08 Nov 2012, 08:38

Re: R.A: Embassy

Unfortunately, Lord Stronghold no longer our Foreign Secretary...
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Kirelareus

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Post 09 Nov 2012, 06:59

Re: R.A: Embassy

Unfortunately, Lord Stronghold no longer our Foreign Secretary...
Our new Foreign Master: Shadaoe! My congratulations! :)
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Private.NL

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Post 09 Nov 2012, 10:11

Re: R.A: Embassy

lol. Does he even speak russian :p
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Kirelareus

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Post 09 Nov 2012, 10:31

Re: R.A: Embassy

lol. Does he even speak russian :p
Unlike you, yes :p
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Private.NL

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Post 09 Nov 2012, 10:33

Re: R.A: Embassy

good job from him :)
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Kirelareus

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Post 09 Nov 2012, 10:37

Re: R.A: Embassy

good job from him :)
His work doesn't need knowledge of russian :p
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Shadaoe

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Post 09 Nov 2012, 14:44

Re: R.A: Embassy

This "job" is to take contact with other clans and organize games, I don't need to speak russian to do it :p

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