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TSK 20 Won in 4.5 minutes (r6720)

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Post 06 Jan 2014, 12:42

TSK 20 Won in 4.5 minutes (r6720)

Hi guys, here are replays of me beating TSK20 quickly in different versions of the remake.

In r6720,
cmowla TSK 20 in 4m28s.zip
4 LOSSES: 2 swordfighter sacrifices, 1 serf, and 1 pikeman (killed by xbows).
(For those who are not members, you can see this replay in a video I made. In it, I also explain my play in detail. In the video description, I provide a PDF which provides additional reasoning behind my play. :) )


cmowla TSK 20 in 4m58s.zip
(Only 7 losses)


(For those who are not members, you can see this replay in a video I made. Enjoy. :) )
cmowla TSK 20 in 5m58s (r6720).zip


cmowla TSK 20 in 6m28s (r6720).zip


cmowla TSK 20 in 7m57s (r6720).zip


cmowla TSK 20 in 8m30s (r6720).zip


cmowla TSK 20 in 9m58s (r6720).zip


In r6378 Nightly,
cmowla TSK20 in 10m58s (r6378 Nightly).zip


In r5503 (KaMRemakefan made a video of this replay. Check it out!.),
cmowla TSK20 in 11m31s.zip
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Post 17 Jan 2014, 06:41

Re: TSK 20 Won in 33.5 Minutes (r5503)

I tried to finish the missions as fast as I could (all of which are in r5503) (if it wasn't too much trouble) and have 0 losses (if possible). I also am just going to post my mission 3 and mission 18 replays that I posted elsewhere. All of these wins are in r5503.

The follow replays are not record times, but they are 0 loss replays (with the exception of TSK18 which was 2 losses due to the bug in r5503).
cmowla TSK02 in 9m48s 0 Losses.zip
cmowla TSK03 0 Losses.zip
cmowla TSK04 in 20m37s 0 Losses.zip
cmowla TSK07 in 33m46s 0 Losses.zip
cmowla TSK09 in 1h6m32s 0 Losses.zip
cmowla TSK16 in 55m16s 0 Losses.zip
cmowla TSK18 in 27m4s 2 Losses (bug).zip


The following replays show how the TSK missions can be beaten quickly:
cmowla TSK04 in 10m52s.zip
cmowla TSK05 in 9m48s.zip
cmowla TSK08 in 30m54s.zip
cmowla TSK11 in 30m52s.zip
cmowla TSK14 in 44m39s.zip
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Post 17 Jan 2014, 10:23

Re: TSK 20 Won in 33.5 Minutes (r5503)

If you want a list of records, there is one on the Polish forum. But you still got some work to do if you want to be the fastest. :P
http://www.knights.sztab.com/forum/view ... ght=#43325
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Post 17 Jan 2014, 11:04

Re: TSK 20 Won in 33.5 Minutes (r5503)

Remember, that these records are from original KaM, not Remake. Bold times mean, that it was beaten with initial army.
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Post 17 Jan 2014, 11:08

Re: TSK 20 Won in 33.5 Minutes (r5503)

TianK wrote:Remember, that these records are from original KaM, not Remake. Bold times mean, that it was beaten with initial army.



Yeah, that´s important! You can´t compare these times yet, because the AI in the Remake works still in an other way, than in tsk :P
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Post 17 Jan 2014, 18:50

Re: TSK 20 Won in 33.5 Minutes (r5503)

Hmmm,

Do I read:
The mission 18
1. 0:13 Hajmus, Niedzwiadek is located at
2.
3. 0:45 ;)
as "The best time record for TSK18 in the original game was 13 minutes"? Also, are the times rounded to the nearest minute?

Thanks for the comments (I wasn't expecting any). I didn't heavily rely on saves to make the majority of these replays (I didn't want it to look more unrealistic than it already does), and my main goal was to beat missions with 0 losses (which for the most part costs more time). I know I can probably improve my times for all of these missions.

I know for sure that TSK09 can be won in under an hour with 0 losses...I forgot (didn't see) that knight group, and it costed me at least 5 minutes!

If I improve and wish to post replays, should I just replace my old replays in my first post, just put my newest win underneath my wins in my first post, or just put my new wins in a new post?
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Post 17 Jan 2014, 21:16

Re: TSK 20 Won in 33.5 Minutes (r5503)

hey
i 'completed' tsk 18 in 15:54

well, i destroyed all military buildings, and all of the enemy army. but to totally complete it you have to destroy every building :|
so i didnt actually complete it but you know the idea.(every other map does have the setting that if you destroy the military buiding you win)

is this a bug?

anyway here the download:

if you play it the right way you can easaly do it faster :P

-TRB
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Post 18 Jan 2014, 00:28

Re: TSK 20 Won in 33.5 Minutes (r5503)

TheRagingBullet wrote:hey
i 'completed' tsk 18 in 15:54

well, i destroyed all military buildings, and all of the enemy army. but to totally complete it you have to destroy every building :|
so i didnt actually complete it but you know the idea.(every other map does have the setting that if you destroy the military buiding you win)

is this a bug?
Wow! That's a great time (I tried to lose 0 troops, so it costed me some time). There's no bug (you missed a storehouse). I just used the troops you had remaining to destroy that storehouse, and the win is around 21 minutes (so go back and try to destroy that storehouse earlier).

TSK08 Won in 34m4s (r5503)

I have just beaten TSK08 in 34m4s (but I didn't try to have 0 losses). I have uploaded the replay to my first post. Does this beat the Polish record (even though we can't really compare times between the original game and the remake)?

Instead of using towers for defense, I used inns. LOL.
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Post 18 Jan 2014, 22:38

Re: TSK 20 Won in 33.5 Minutes (r5503)

I just beat TSK011 in 56m50s with my initial army (not 0 losses, however). I could have beaten it in 3 minutes less, but it would look too unrealistic (if it doesn't already). I think the remaining missions (12 and 15) are more commonly beaten quickly, so I won't bother.
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Post 20 Jan 2014, 10:08

TSK08 (r5503) Won in 30 minutes 54 seconds

I used a modification of my approach to win in a shorter time than my previous record. I have replaced my 34m4s win with this one.
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Post 22 Jan 2014, 08:21

TSK20 in Original TPR Game Won in 42 minutes

I know this isn't technically a replay, but even though I dreaded the idea of doing so, I played the original game's version of TSK20, and I won it in 42 minutes. It was VERY EASY in comparison to r5503, but it was more time consuming based on the approach I took. However, I have no doubt it can be finished several minutes earlier using my approach more efficiently than how I actually executed it. Since I can't show a replay, I will share my winning plan! :D

But first, here's the .sav file for proof of this time.
cmowla TSK20 TPR in 42m.zip
Was the 50m polish record with this version of the game?

Plan

The following steps will help you avoid the initial battle (except you will have to lose one group of 12 swordfighters) and keep the AI away from your storehouse and serfs.

[1] Move the left-most barb group to the left, and move the right barb group down. This saves all barbs from initial attack.
[2] Move your 2 pikemen groups and the swordfighter group next to them left (at least to the middle point of the iron mountain about your storehouse). Move your knights south, circle them around the bottom of the gold mountain, and send them up to the north drawbridge where your ally will go (if your ally decides to go to the right village instead, start over).

So, at this point, you should only have your group of 12 swordfighters (which were originally above the golden ore mountain) left there (DO NOT MOVE THEM, let them die).

[3] Move all of your troops (except for your knights) by your storehouse and feed all of them. Feed the pikemen first, and send them up north, south of the drawbridge...knights from the south will eventually come.

The following steps will be used to kill all serfs (in all villages) before the 20 minute mark.

[4] At the north village drawbridge, your ally will be entering on the right side of the bridge. Break your group of 12 knight into 2 groups of 6, have one group enter to the village between the first storehouse and the river. Kill the nearest serf, and leave one knight there to die. Send the remaining 5 to kill all serfs in this village.

[5] When I played this, I only had 1 surviving knight, not 5. In fact, I believe I sent my second group of 6 knights in to finish the job the first group should have done before they got killed. One is sufficient to kill all serfs in the left and right villages (at this point, I think there were only 5-6 serfs in both villages, and the schoolhouses are still training other units besides serfs). So this is step 5. Make sure that at least one knight survives so you can use him to dodge stones from watchtowers and kill xbowmen!

[6] Send the rest of your (now fed) troops where your pikemen were placed for step [3]. Serfs from the northern-most village will be coming south to feed the troops you dodged in the initial attack. Kill them all, and that's the end of the serfs!

The rest should be self-explanatory. Starvation, battle tactics, even distribution of troops to AI buildings to win in the optimal time. The AI is dumber than I thought. :D I do miss their swordfighters storm attacks (which doesn't happen in the remake).
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Post 25 Jan 2014, 00:52

Re: TSK 20 Won in 33.5 Minutes (r5503)

I just won TSK11 in 34m17s (in r5503) using fewer saves than my 57m win (it only took exactly 1 hour of real time to win it). I replaced my old 57m replay with this one in the second post in this thread.

I doubt I can get just under 30 minutes like kaszub did in another version of the game. It takes more than 30 minutes for all AI to die from hunger alone. Well, I just wanted to give this mission another shot, and I'm happy with the time I achieved this time. :D
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Post 25 Jan 2014, 22:51

Re: TSK 20 Won in 33.5 Minutes (r5503)

I just beat Michailoff's 0:13:_ _ record for TSK04 in 10m52s. I have posted the replay in my second post.

EDIT:
I just beat Hajmus' record for TSK05. It took several hours for me to do this, as it was not obvious how to get below 10 minutes. I have posted my 9m48s replay in my second post.

EDIT:
I just won TSK11 in 30m52s (just a minute over the current record). :)
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Post 02 Feb 2014, 01:31

Re: TSK 20 Won in 33.5 Minutes (r5503)

I modified my approach for TSK20 and I won it in 22.5 minutes (see the first post for the replay). :)

This is just the baseline: if one studies my plan, I'm sure the plan can be probably be optimized and executed in a shorter time.
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Post 07 Feb 2014, 17:52

Re: TSK 20 Won in 17.5 Minutes (r5503)

i didnt really know where to put this but

i won tsk 03 without using any ranged units (H)
it's a fun challange and pretty hard :)
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